1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Music 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Hidden away high above the University of London is a library that few ever get to see. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Its books explore stories so strange they make even the most skeptical, at least wonder. 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:33,000 They are stories that we can't explain. We can merely present the evidence and leave you to make up your own minds. 5 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,000 There is no doubt at all however, in the minds of the people who claim to have gone through these experiences, 6 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:44,000 they are ordinary people, they come from ordinary places. Their stories are certainly strange. 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 But are they true? 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Music 9 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Meet Harry Price, psychic investigator. 10 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:17,000 He spent a lifetime collecting all these books in his quest to explain the unexplained. 11 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 When he died he left them to the University where they've continued to baffle the keenest brains around. 12 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Tonight we have two extraordinary stories for you told through drama reconstruction and interviews with those involved. 13 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:39,000 One is about an Irish family separated in childhood and now reunited by a woman who says she's the reincarnation of their mother. 14 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,000 But first, the naked eye can see stars hundreds of light years away. 15 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:49,000 The most powerful telescopes can see hundreds of millions of light years away. 16 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:56,000 In all that space is there even the remotest chance that there are life forms elsewhere in the universe which can reach us? 17 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,000 And if there are, why would they choose to descend on one small town more than anywhere else? 18 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Music 19 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,000 The town of Tobmedon, buried deep between windswept Pennine moorlands. 20 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Obscure, isolated and the epicenter of UFO activity in the British Isles. 21 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 A tenth of sightings are around this town alone. 22 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Our story begins with the discovery in a coal yard which even now more than ten years on remains a mystery. 23 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,000 He's up there. 24 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Alan Godfrey at the time a constable in the Tobmedon police force was called to the scene. 25 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 He wasn't there a few hours ago. 26 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Lying on top of a pile of coal was a man, dead. 27 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 He had this terrifying expression. 28 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,000 I can only describe it as whatever he'd last saw really terrified him. 29 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,000 There was no footprints belonging to him, disturbance on the coal. 30 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,000 So how did he get up there? I couldn't work out. 31 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,000 I could see that on the top of his head there were individual burn marks. 32 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Not the back of the neck. 33 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:07,000 There was a rather large weeping type of burn and there'd been like an ointment smeared on it. 34 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:16,000 The dead man was Zygmunt Adamski, a retired miner who disappeared five days earlier from a town twenty miles away. 35 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 The coroner had to record an open verdict. 36 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 He's still baffled by the questions surrounding the case. 37 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Like what was the substance on the dead man's neck? 38 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,000 This is one of the most puzzling cases that I've come across in 25 years. 39 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,000 If somebody proved to me that UFOs exist and that there was one around there at that time 40 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:44,000 and that in some way we could associate it with this case, then perhaps I might say I'd only raise half an eyebrow. 41 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:51,000 On the moors above Tobmedon, next to what's said to be the highest bus stop in Britain, is the Deer Play Inn. 42 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,000 One night in 1989, the landlady awoke to see an amazing sight. 43 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Well I never took UFOs seriously at all. 44 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,000 So one night my husband came into the bedroom and I was asleep and he came in and said, 45 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 come on, look at this well. 46 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:13,000 And I came into the lounge and I saw this light behind that cottage there. 47 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 It went right across the moor. 48 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:23,000 It went about 50 miles an hour, came on the car park and lit the car park up like it was daylight. 49 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Absolutely, like daylight. I can't believe it. 50 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,000 I just don't know. My husband said to me, well explain that and I can't explain it. 51 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,000 A few miles away, at about 7 o'clock one evening last August, 52 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Joanne Elidge, Sarah Wolffenden and Amy Connolly were out with friends. 53 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,000 We were just walking up the road along the road and one of our friends said, 54 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 what's that over there? It jumped on the wall. 55 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 So we just got on the wall and had a look and it was just like behind us, 56 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,000 just above the forest and it seemed to be hovering and watched it for about 10 minutes. 57 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:01,000 I couldn't believe that there was something there that weren't an airplane or a helicopter or anything like that. 58 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 We knew it wasn't a normal aircraft or anything. 59 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 We just couldn't say anything, just kept watching that. 60 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 But the most extraordinary story must be that of Alan Godfrey, 61 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 the policeman who made the find on the coal heap. 62 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Five months later he was on duty early one morning when there were reports of cows loose on a council estate. 63 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I've been sent to investigate this herd of cows. 64 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,000 So I was driving up the road here and I was going to turn right up Furnley Road there to the council estate 65 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,000 when I could see in front of me up here this object. 66 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,000 It looked to be completely blocking the road. 67 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 As I get nearer and nearer towards this object, 68 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 I could see that it wasn't quite what I was expecting to meet 69 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,000 at five o'clock or whatever on a November morning in Tomah-Din. 70 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 It was diamond shaped. 71 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 The bottom half of the object was spinning. 72 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,000 It was hovering about five foot off the ground. 73 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,000 It was about 20 feet wide, 14 feet high. 74 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 I tried that several times, it just didn't work. 75 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,000 I just couldn't contact anybody. 76 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000 So I picked my clipboard up and I started drawing a sketch of it. 77 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,000 And then suddenly I was at the other side of the object and it had gone. 78 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 It had, what, I know, the 1,500 yards of folk road driving. 79 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 What's up? You're not going to believe what I've just seen. 80 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Oh, get in. 81 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 OK. 82 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 So we got out of the car and we examined the road surface, 83 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 which was like a whirlpool dry. 84 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Something really hot had been hovering above that. 85 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,000 We could see all these loose leaves and broken branches there. 86 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,000 So he was convinced something had been there. 87 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 We thought it might have gone in this object, wherever it had gone. 88 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 That might have gone into the adjoining park. 89 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 When we got in there, we could see this early cow 90 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 was right in the middle of the rugby pitch. 91 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 They'd been raining all night, but there's no hoof prints belonging to them. 92 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 How have they got that? 93 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Just look, there's a plot. Somebody dropped them there, you know? 94 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 It sounds incredible, but Alan Godfrey isn't the only one 95 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 who saw something in the same area on the same night. 96 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Another witness was school caretaker Leonard Smith. 97 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000 When I came round the corner to check the grounds, 98 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,000 I looked up in the sky and this UFO was up in the sky, 99 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:52,000 approximately where I later learned the area where Alan Godfrey had his experience. 100 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 I didn't know at the time. 101 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Now, the object shot across the valley four times backwards and forwards, 102 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 and then vanished over the hills. 103 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Then there's John Porter, one of five other police witnesses that night. 104 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 An hour before Alan Godfrey's encounter, 105 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,000 he was out searching moreland quarries for stolen motorbikes. 106 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 We're walking down the moor from the main road. 107 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Something told me to turn around. 108 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 I turned and in the sky was a very cold steel blue light. 109 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 It moved in a sweeping arc across the sky, about 12 miles, 110 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,000 I would estimate in one second. 111 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Eventually I went up the road and observed the same cold steel blue light 112 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 sweeping away in the low arc towards Todberding, 113 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 and that's the last I saw of it. 114 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Despite the support, Alan Godfrey became more and more troubled 115 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,000 by the most puzzling part of his experience. 116 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 After it all happened. 117 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,000 I realised that there was half an hour missing from me drawing the object 118 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,000 and me turning up at the other side of where the object had been. 119 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 I was really curious, you know, what I wanted to know, 120 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 what had happened in that half hour. 121 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 I persuaded him to undergo regression hypnosis, 122 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,000 and two experiments were set up with two doctors who specialised in hypnosis. 123 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 The video, the hypnotic regression sessions were videotaped, 124 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 and during them Alan fills in the missing time, the gaps in his memory. 125 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Alan describes getting out of his car, looking at the object, 126 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,000 then he sees a light emanating from underneath it, 127 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 so he gets back into his car, finds his car won't go, 128 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 and then he's engulfed in a bright white light. 129 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,000 He appears to lose consciousness, he says everything is black, 130 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,000 he then wakes up in a room where he sees a tall man. 131 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,000 He's also surrounded by six small robots. 132 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 He's made the subject of some sort of pseudo-medical examination. 133 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000 In due course he's put back in his car. 134 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,000 After my initial sighting, I did read quite a few science fiction books, 135 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000 and it is quite possible that that part of the hypnotic regression 136 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 has got jumbled up in my mind. 137 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,000 But I must stress that I did see a UFO that night. 138 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 No mistake about that, I definitely saw what I saw, 139 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 and normally on this earth I would tell many different. 140 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,000 So are the people of Toppenden receiving visits from outer space? 141 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,000 The town now has its own observatory, with telescopes trained on the skies. 142 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,000 We recently had reports of lights moving around in the sky, 143 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,000 which turned out to be nothing more than a local laser show. 144 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Also we have to be rather cautious, because we live under the flight path 145 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,000 of two major airports, Heathrow and Manchester. 146 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:53,000 And locally Manchester is a problem in as much as we have lights coming in 147 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,000 on incoming aircraft, which give the impression of UFOs in the sky. 148 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:04,000 It was not an aircraft. I got into my van, I made radio enquiries regarding this. 149 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,000 I still saw the blue light in the sky. I made enquiries with the Army, 150 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,000 the RAF, the Civil Aviation Authority, and nothing was in the sky at that time. 151 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:19,000 A less conventional theory is that the geology of the area can produce strange sights. 152 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 There are many reservoirs and quarries in the Toppenden area, 153 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 and the local rock has a high concentration of quartz crystals. 154 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Scientists have found that this can produce an electrical signal, 155 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,000 and on a grand scale this might turn out to be glowing masses of energy, 156 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,000 as you may have seen as UFOs. 157 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 I saw what I saw. That object was real. 158 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Well, I got out the car and thrown a brick at it, it would have gone bang. 159 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Strangely enough, even the scientists are now coming round to the view 160 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 that the people of Toppenden are seeing something. 161 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Two friends and I were observing and saw an object which had a classic flying saucer shape. 162 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,000 We checked to make sure that the telescope we were originally using 163 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,000 didn't have optical defects, and there was no problem there. 164 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And much is it difficult to believe that it was of extraterrestrial origin. 165 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,000 To this date we have no rational scientific explanation for what it was. 166 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Before his close encounter, PC Allen Godfrey had been injured on duty. 167 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 A hospital consultant said he'd be unable to have any more children. 168 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,000 After his experience, the effects were reversed, and Allen Godfrey had a son. 169 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Can the human personality survive death and be born again in another body? 170 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Not a prospect that all of us would relish, but surprising though it may seem, 171 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:47,000 across the globe, those who believe in reincarnation probably outnumber those who don't. 172 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Reincarnation is one of the oldest beliefs dating back to 1000 BC in India. 173 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,000 When they're close to death, some people in Alaska believe so strongly 174 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,000 that they even choose their next set of parents. 175 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,000 One whose story we're about to tell believes reincarnation explains the dream she's had 176 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,000 ever since she can remember. 177 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Jenny Cockerl looks like any ordinary mother. 178 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Happily married with two children, she lives in the Northamptonshire town of Toaster. 179 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,000 But Jenny has always believed that she is also the mother of another family. 180 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:29,000 For as long as I can remember, I've had dreams of being married in Ireland 181 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:35,000 and dying while the children were still young, not grown, in the 1930s. 182 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Terrible dreams of being alone in a room in pain, not at home, 183 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:50,000 and knowing that there's nothing I could do to ensure the safety of the children's futures. 184 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:59,000 During waking hours, I remember happier memories from the life as Mary. 185 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,000 I remembered the children at mealtimes. 186 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 But Jenny also sends trouble in the family. 187 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:16,000 I didn't know quite why I should feel so uneasy and so concerned 188 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:22,000 and what it was that I was really afraid of, something I was shutting out. 189 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 The memories were a little bit like pieces of a jigsaw. 190 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Some parts were very clear, some parts were vague, 191 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 and there were so many bits that seemed to be missing, 192 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 it was difficult to try to get the whole picture. 193 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:48,000 As soon as she could pick up a pencil, Jenny began drawing maps of the village she saw in her mind, 194 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 the main roads, the station and her cottage, 195 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,000 and when she got to school atlas, she could even locate where it was. 196 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:02,000 After several attempts, just shutting my eyes and allowing myself to be drawn to a place that might feel familiar, 197 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,000 I found that Malahide was named just north of Dublin. 198 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,000 For years, Jenny kept these strange visions of Ireland to herself, 199 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 until at last she could hold back no longer. 200 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 She had to find out if the memories meant anything. 201 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,000 She began at her local bookshop, ordering a map of the Malahide area to confirm her childhood drawings. 202 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,000 The maps matched, for Jenny, a first glimmer of proof. 203 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Now she needed more and tried hypnosis to plumb her deeper memories. 204 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 One, two, roundy. 205 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,000 It sharpened up a great deal of the detail. 206 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,000 There was one of the churches I saw the outside fairly clearly, 207 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 clearly enough to make a little drawing afterwards of it, 208 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:57,000 and standing at the end of a jetty wrapped in a dark shawl, 209 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,000 it was dusk, and I remembered waiting for a boat, 210 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,000 but I had no idea who was on the boat or why I was waiting for a boat. 211 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,000 But were these real memories or just an overactive imagination? 212 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,000 It gets difficult to believe that when you see the consistency of the facts 213 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,000 and the findings of the memories between one session and the next, 214 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 and Jenny's been through several sessions of this at different times, 215 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,000 and each time she's been consistent in what she's been telling me. 216 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 It was enough for Jenny to invest in a trip to Malahide. 217 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 This was the first time she'd been to Ireland, 218 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,000 and yet she felt certain she'd been there before. 219 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 I didn't need a map. I knew my way around. 220 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,000 I tried to find somebody who might remember the family, 221 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 who might remember the children. 222 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Back in England, Jenny received a letter from an old man in Malahide. 223 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Relating to the mother who died in the 1930s, she was Mrs. Sutton. 224 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,000 After her death, the children were sent to orphanages. 225 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,000 It was the breakthrough Jenny needed. 226 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,000 She was able to get a copy of Mary Sutton's death certificate, 227 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,000 and from an orphanage came the first names of her children. 228 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:36,000 An appeal in an Irish newspaper then produced a telephone number for the oldest boy, Sunny. 229 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Hello. My name is Jenny Cockale. 230 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,000 I've been trying to trace members of your family. 231 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,000 I've been trying to trace members of your family. 232 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,000 I've been looking for Mrs. Sutton weird here. 233 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 I don't know who this person is, 234 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,000 and I said, how did she come to know so much about the family? 235 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,000 You said that she remembers about the jetty. 236 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Well, I explained to her that I used to have a little job as a caddy, 237 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 and we used to row over to the island. 238 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 And in the evening, we'd row back again. 239 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 And she'd read me at the top of the steps. 240 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 And you'd just have to choose accordingly. 241 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,000 With Sunny's help, the picture has finally become clear. 242 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:39,000 The pieces of the jigsaw were going in and making things a lot easier to understand. 243 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:45,000 And most of all, he was able to explain to me what I had been afraid of. 244 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,000 My mother was a loving person. 245 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,000 She loved her husband and she loved her family. 246 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 But my father was the opposite. 247 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,000 My mother was only there for the convenience. 248 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,000 He was cruel to my mother. He was cruel to his children. 249 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:11,000 He'd come home from the... sort of drunk, then start messing around. 250 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,000 And the money and money at home, I used to get between him and my mother. 251 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000 But the same with my mother. 252 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Mary Sutton died at the age of 32. 253 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Her children were taken away, all except Sunny, who had to keep house for his father. 254 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,000 It was very painful because I'd lost my mother. 255 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 I was going to lose my brothers and sisters. 256 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,000 And under what taken away, it was very, very hurtful and very painful. 257 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,000 I knew that I couldn't settle until the family were reunited. 258 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:56,000 That part of me that was Mary, needed to see the children happy. 259 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,000 One by one, Jenny tracked down not only Sunny, but all the surviving Sutton children. 260 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,000 And a few weeks ago, at the home of youngest sister Betty, they were reunited. 261 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000 All together again for the first time in 61 years. 262 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000 How's Christie? She's Betty, is it? 263 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Yes, indeed. Great in yourself. 264 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Brothers Frank and Christie. 265 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Phyllis and Sunny. 266 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Unknown to Phyllis, she and Betty had lived within 15 minutes of each other for 40 years. 267 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,000 And it's Phyllis who appears in the only photo of their mother, Mary. 268 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,000 They're all about to meet the woman who believes she is Mary, back from the dead. 269 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Hi Jenny. 270 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,000 So Jenny Coquelle has reunited a lost family. 271 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,000 But are they convinced she's the reincarnation of their mother? 272 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 The priest only lives across from us, Father McCarty. 273 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 And I said, Father, send me to the E. 274 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000 I want a truth, though, I said, do you believe in reincarnation? 275 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:05,000 He said, that is all I can answer, Christie, that is, that you and Mother are scarring from heaven. 276 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 And just coming through you. 277 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Jenny's dreams are mommy's thoughts. 278 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Basically, my opinion is that mum wants us all together again. 279 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:26,000 And Jenny was the lucky one that she chose and put her soul into Jenny. 280 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 That's the way I look at it. 281 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000 I want to avoid a step-sale there. 282 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 And to complete the reunion, a homecoming. 283 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Back to the remains of the humble cottage in Malahide that the family left after the death of their beloved mother. 284 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000 She is back again. 285 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,000 I believe that my mother is not passed on. She hasn't passed over, as we say. 286 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 The wounds of the years of separation. 287 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000 The wounds of not knowing where my brothers and sisters were. 288 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000 Those wounds, Jenny, is healed now. 289 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Because now I know where they are. 290 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 I know them real life, and well. 291 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000 And those are our stories. 292 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,000 I don't think you'd argue about their strangeness, but whether we believe them is for each of us to decide. 293 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Harry Price spent most of his 67 years on this earth trying to find the answers to such mysteries. 294 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,000 But he didn't gain much public recognition, and he died in 1948, a disappointed man. 295 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,000 If he'd lived until today, he'd have seen more and more people following in his footsteps, 296 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,000 visiting psychics, experimenting with hypnosis, trying to communicate with the spirits, 297 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000 or simply just reading their horoscopes. 298 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Yet whatever we do, the truth remains as elusive and as tantalising as ever. 299 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 For now, goodnight.